Welcome to the Open Thread, everybody! Dong Joo will get put within the scorching seat greater than a bit of bit, this pair of episodes, and general, I’m simply actually happy with how a lot development we see from him. 😊
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With out additional ado, listed below are my reactions to this pair of episodes; have enjoyable within the Open Thread, everybody! ❤️
Let’s simply say that this episode, Present managed to make my blood boil greater than I believed it was potential for my blood to boil. 😳 That’s fairly an achievement, and in addition, I suppose that signifies that I’m nicely and duly invested within the goings on at Doldam Hospital. 😉
With Grasp Kim being so abrupt and brusque with Search engine optimisation Jung for coming into his workplace with out permission, it sparks Search engine optimisation Jung’s curiosity to seek out out extra concerning the pupil whose pupil card she’d present in his workplace. And she or he does handle to return to a tentative conclusion that’s fairly near the reality.
On the one hand, it’s not very good, that Grasp Kim occurs on Search engine optimisation Jung and In Soo speculate aloud concerning the case, as a result of this feels akin to gossip, despite the fact that it’s not pushed by in poor health intent. Plus, I can utterly perceive Grasp Kim’s reluctance to speak about it, since this factors to a darkish level in his life, the place he’d misplaced his pupil due to soiled hospital politics.
Alternatively, it does really feel like maybe this darkish historical past is one thing that should come to mild, not solely to clear Grasp Kim’s title, but additionally, to deliver President Do and all his accomplices to justice. I really feel like left as it’s, this may’t assist however fester, at some stage. And that’s not wholesome for Grasp Kim.
I’ve to confess that I’m not even positive if it could be potential for Grasp Kim to clear his title, as a result of it’s greater than doubtless than any and all proof associated to the case would have been destroyed. However, I’d wish to hope, as a result of it simply doesn’t really feel proper, that President Do could be allowed to get away with killing a affected person, simply to smash Grasp Kim’s profession. The awfulness of that by no means ceases to amaze me. 🤯
One other main arc this episode, is that of President Do attempting to entice Dong Joo to change into allies with him, in change for cash and energy. The worth for this unreasonably enticing supply? Why, Grasp Kim, in fact. Ugh. This factor that President Do has with Grasp Kim feels just like the obsession of a canine with a bone. It looks like Grasp Kim’s already moved on from their battle, and but, President Just do retains on hanging on, prefer it by no means happens to him that it’s higher for him to simply let go. 🙄
Dong Joo’s proven a superb quantity of development and progress of late, so I’ve to confess I felt a bit of disillusioned that he doesn’t flatly flip down President Do’s supply, however says that he’ll give it some thought.
On the similar time, it does really feel like Dong Joo’s change into way more conscious of the true nature of President Do’s supply, and the darkish and slippery slope it entails for him personally, if he had been to simply accept. I hope that this will probably be sufficient conviction for Dong Joo to say no – however we don’t see the result of his resolution, this episode.
Though Head Nurse Oh may be very annoyed with Grasp Kim’s chosen response to the information that Dong Joo’s contemplating President Do’s supply, I truly agree with the place Grasp Kim is coming from, in giving Dong Joo the whole freedom to make his alternative. It’s utterly true that finally, Dong Joo needs to be the one to need to keep, if his keep goes to be significant. And even when Grasp Kim had been to say one thing good to encourage Dong Joo to remain, Dong Joo’s keep could be short-lived and pointless, if his coronary heart weren’t actually in it.
After all, it actually couldn’t damage, if Grasp Kim had been to acknowledge Dong Joo’s value, however to be truthful to Grasp Kim, if Dong Joo had been honest in wanting to remain, he wouldn’t want Grasp Kim’s affirmation to be a deciding issue.
The mom and son pair that Search engine optimisation Jung finds herself up towards this hour are next-level brazen in the best way that they swan across the hospital and pooh-pooh the truth that Son’s drunk driving truly killed folks. Their insistent lack of regret, whereas clearly taking part in soiled to get their means, is totally astounding and their obnoxious presence on my display, legit damage my mind. 😖😳
Of course I’d be on Search engine optimisation Jung’s facet, as she faces off with them and their smug lawyer. I needed to love how Search engine optimisation Jung stands her floor and refuses to bow right down to them (each actually and metaphorically), even when Director Music will get concerned and begins shouting at her and threatening her, in an effort to get her to apologize.
Ugh. I simply need to say, the extra I see of Director Music, the extra I’m satisfied that he’s a small and cowardly particular person. I imply, on this case, when his strong-arm ways fail to get Search engine optimisation Jung to apologize, he runs after her and tries to persuade her to apologize – due to the cash and backing that the lady and her son have, and since, as he says, that’s the best way the world works. He’s utterly spineless, it appears to be like like, and until Present manages a large development spurt and turnaround with him in later episodes, I really feel like he doesn’t deserve even an iota of respect, whether or not he’s Head of Surgical procedure or no.
What a distinction, when it’s Grasp Kim who’s within the room with Search engine optimisation Jung. Grasp Kim is nice and seems to play good, however in precise truth, he’s able to get down and soiled to play on the obnoxious lady’s stage, if that’s what she prefers. No marvel Obnoxious Girl backs down fairly rapidly, and no marvel Search engine optimisation Jung can barely include her happy smile.
How vital, that despite the fact that Grasp Kim says that he doesn’t have any college students, Search engine optimisation Jung insists that she’ll be his pupil anyway, and the way poignant, that we see that Grasp Kim truly sees his useless pupil’s shiny enthusiasm, mirrored in Search engine optimisation Jung. I immediately really feel like Grasp Kim wants Search engine optimisation Jung as his pupil, as a lot as Search engine optimisation Jung wants Grasp Kim as her trainer.
How vital, too, that Obnoxious Son’s conscience truly wakes up, after Search engine optimisation Jung takes him to see the amputee sufferers on the ICU. I imply, it’s heartbreaking that there’s nothing that may give these sufferers their legs again, however it’s one thing, that he truly sees the error of his methods, and sincerely apologizes. There is likely to be hope but, for Obnoxious Son.
The arc with the runaway soldier is kind of disturbing, to say the least, significantly as soon as it turns into clear that the plainclothes army police guys are extra intent on masking up the case, than on truly serving to him in any means. That’s actually terrible. My coronary heart sank once I realized that Present was hinting at organized cover-ups on the army, for violence in the direction of troopers.
I actually felt like yelling at my display, when these army police guys tried to cease the surgical procedure from going down, despite the fact that Dong Joo’s telling them that with out the surgical procedure, the soldier will actually die. UGH. They actually don’t care if he dies; they solely care that the folks in energy within the army don’t get damage. These folks actually don’t appear to see the soldier as a human being.
I used to be ecstatic when Grasp Kim steps in and counters the officers’ declare of obstruction of justice, with an assertion of interference with medical remedy. Huzzah! I like that Grasp Kim meets them on their stage, and offers simply pretty much as good as he will get, such that they’ll’t do something to cease the surgical procedure.
It’s fairly a deal with to see Dong Joo and In Beom working collectively in such a synergistic method throughout the surgical procedure. It looks like they’re on the identical wavelength, and make good companions. I really feel like there’s plenty of potential for these two to be a mixed power to be reckoned with – if they’ll recover from their baggage and hang-ups, that’s.
This episode, I seen that In Beom hesitates, earlier than becoming a member of the crew to run to are inclined to the soldier affected person. I’m wondering what his hesitation is about, and what’s getting in the best way of his doctoring instincts, which we’ve seen at work earlier than. Does he sense that his father is closing in on Doldam Hospital, and is hesitating to become involved, in order that he doesn’t must take sides?
The way in which President Do will get concerned, and even prepares the loss of life certificates for the soldier who continues to be alive, is jaw-droppingly chilly. I’m hoping that Dong Joo doesn’t settle for President Do’s darkish supply, and I’m additionally hoping that Grasp Kim will someway be capable to cease all these soiled machinations from succeeding, and possibly even blow the highest off this shady cover-up of systemic violence within the army. Would that be asking for an excessive amount of..? 😬
Dong Joo is thrust into a complete lotta soul looking out this episode, and.. it truly goes fairly nicely, all issues thought of. Yay for private development, and yay for progress! 🥳
In contrast to in our earlier episode, this episode, we see that Dong Joo is definitely much less swayed by President Do’s supply than he would possibly first seem. The truth that Dong Joo truly instantly pushes again on fudging the loss of life certificates, as a substitute of being thrown straight right into a dilemma, is an enormous step in the appropriate path. Clearly, Dong Joo’s already grown some, from the time once we’d seen him reschedule the surgical procedure at Geodae Hospital in favor of the VIP affected person, due to a request from President Do.
I suppose distance has helped clear his imaginative and prescient considerably. Effectively, that and hanging round Grasp Kim and Search engine optimisation Jung as nicely, since each Grasp Kim and Search engine optimisation Jung do play an element every, in nudging Dong Joo within the path that he’s already leaning in the direction of. To that finish, I simply wished to say that whereas it’s true that finally, the choice is Dong Joo’s, typically a bit of encouragement, and a little bit of a reminder about why he does what he does, is fairly useful too. I really feel that that’s basically what Search engine optimisation Jung and Grasp Kim do for him. Search engine optimisation Jung tries to speak to Dong Joo a number of occasions this episode, and every time, she very deliberately reminds him of his duties as a health care provider. Coming from Search engine optimisation Jung, who’s somebody that Dong Joo values and appears as much as, it lands with extra weight than it could coming from another person, I believe.
The way in which Grasp Kim joins Dong Joo at his desk and asks Dong Joo to drink with him, looks like a fairly.. affectionate factor to do? As in, I really feel like if we’d been in an earlier episode, Grasp Kim may not have sat right down to drink with Dong Joo. My intestine says that the truth that Grasp Kim would sit right down to drink with Dong Joo reveals that he’s grown not less than a bit of bit keen on Dong Joo, and desires to narrate with him on a extra private stage.
I just like the dialog between them takes on a fairly philosophical flip, and I really feel that it’s fairly useful that Grasp Kim drops a couple of nuggets of knowledge, to present Dong Joo some meals for thought. Amongst them, that is the bit that lingers with me, “Greed is usually self-justified. ‘I couldn’t assist it.’ ‘That was the one alternative I may make.’” Such a penetrating and insightful remark!
Though Dong Joo protests Grasp Kim can’t learn his ideas, and doesn’t perceive what it’s wish to be humiliated as a result of one has no energy or cash, I really feel like Grasp Kim’s phrases do stick with Dong Joo. And I respect that Grasp Kim expresses empathy for Dong Joo’s scenario, saying that he is aware of what it’s wish to be torn between one’s actuality and beliefs.
It looks like plenty of vital nuggets of knowledge are put on the market, and most vital of all, I like that Grasp Kim as soon as once more places the facility and accountability of the choice, totally in Dong Joo’s palms. Much like how Grasp Kim had as soon as given Dong Joo the choice of halting the surgical procedure on the affected person with the bleeding liver if he didn’t really feel as much as performing it, this time, Grasp Kim places the video footage of the surgical procedure on the deserting soldier in Dong Joo’s palms, and tells him to do with it what he’ll.
I believe it’s fairly a weighty motion to take; it reveals that Grasp Kim isn’t pushing or shielding Dong Joo in any means; he’s stated what he feels wanted to be stated, and now he’s placing the following step fully in Dong Joo’s palms. There’s one thing empowering about that sort of belief, and though it’s potential that Dong Joo would make a disappointing resolution, I really feel like that sort of empowerment does do one thing, when it comes to making you need to do the appropriate factor. On the very least, it offers Dong Joo so much to consider.
I used to be properly entertained by how Dong Joo’s mother’s presence on the hospital offers rise to greater than a little bit of awkwardness.
First, we’ve got Search engine optimisation Jung getting all mortified, after she realizes that she’s been talking a bit rudely about Dong Joo proper in entrance of his mom. The way in which Search engine optimisation Jung backtracks is amusing and even somewhat endearing (a trademark Search engine optimisation Hyun Jin functionality, in my view; she pulls it off so nicely!), and the best way In Beom eyes Search engine optimisation Jung with amusement appears to point some sort of burgeoning curiosity.
For the file, I’m not positive whether or not In Beom’s rising curiosity (affection?) is supposed to be romantic; it’s simply that he appears to reply to Search engine optimisation Jung, when she’s round him. I’d nonetheless be utterly down for a sibling-esque connection between them, I believe that might be actually cute.
Second, we’ve got the very awkward scenario of a really drunk Dong Joo loudly and persistently declaring his emotions for Search engine optimisation Jung, after which attempting to plant an enormous, fats tipsy kiss on her lips, whereas squishing her face with each palms. Ahahaha. The mortification on Search engine optimisation Jung’s face is kind of comical, and I can’t assist chuckling in disbelief, that Drunk Dong Joo is definitely doing this (he’s going to be sooo embarrassed when he sobers up, I’m positive).
It’s candy how Mother asks, as she nurses drunk Dong Joo, whether or not he actually likes Search engine optimisation Jung, and Dong Joo replies in a really cozy, contented method that in fact he likes her. I like how amused and delighted this reply makes Mother; she appears so blissful to understand that her son lastly has somebody that he sincerely likes. Aw. 🥰
Ultimately, the factor that, I believe, is the catalyst that galvanizes Dong Joo into seeing every thing with crystal clear imaginative and prescient, is how the daughter of the affected person who’d finally died as a result of Dong Joo had rescheduled his surgical procedure in favor of the VIP affected person, comes again to take him to activity for her father’s loss of life.
It’s such a painfully stark mirror of what had occurred when Dong Joo himself had railed at everybody at Geodae Hospital, when his personal father had died after a VIP affected person had been given precedence. And, it’s additional heartbreaking that Mother is there to witness it, as a result of these are her painful reminiscences too. But, Mother has a lot compassion for the lady who’s now railing towards Dong Joo. Mother’s easy act of serving to her decide up the flyers, then apologizing to her after figuring out herself as Dong Joo’s mom, is so touching. That’s such a Mother factor to do, to place herself on the market and apologize on herr son’s behalf, despite the fact that she herself has completed nothing unsuitable.
I really feel like Mother’s actions play an element too, in Dong Joo’s turnaround. The way in which Dong Joo apologizes to the lady is unreserved and honest, and a far cry from the Dong Joo that we’d first met in the beginning of our story. The girl rants and wails at him, and it’s clear that Dong Joo understands that she must rant and he or she must wail, as a result of that’s how damaged her coronary heart is; he understands as a result of he’s been there. And that’s why he stands there and lets her do what she must do, to course of her grief as finest as she will be able to. 💔
I gotta say, I felt plenty of vicarious satisfaction from the best way Grasp Kim marches proper into President Do’s workplace, and punches him within the face. I imply.. I’m not a proponent of violence or something, however President Do’s been so stubbornly, proudly, downright terrible, that he’s had it coming to him. The truth that President Do’s personal try at a punch lands him on the ground looks like bonus humiliation, to my eyes. Heh.
I’m glad that Grasp Kim throws down the gauntlet and declares that he won’t permit President Do to benefit from Dong Joo and Search engine optimisation Jung any longer. That is an outright assertion that these are his folks now, and there’s a lot which means layered into that. It signifies that he not solely sees potential in each of them, he approves them each, and accepts them each, and is now declaring that he’ll shield them each. Augh. That’s fairly darn cool, actually. ❤️
In the end, Dong Joo chooses to do the appropriate factor, and offers the useless soldier’s dad and mom an correct reason for loss of life on the loss of life certificates, in addition to the footage of the surgical procedure, in order that they’ll use it as proof. Much more considerably, I really feel, is the truth that Dong Joo cries with them, and apologizes that he’d taken so lengthy. Our Dong Joo; he’s actually rising extra empathetic and compassionate, isn’t he?
I kinda love that Director Music utterly loses it when he realizes what Dong Joo has completed, and but, Dong Joo is totally serene, within the face of Director Music’s mad ranting. Really, as Director Music retains speaking about the way it can’t be that tough to disregard the sensation of disgrace “simply as soon as,” I can’t assist considering that on that path that Director Music himself selected, to align himself with President Do, the necessity to ignore disgrace turns into a recurring factor; it’s not a one time factor in any respect.
I really feel so glad to listen to Dong Joo say, “I got here to assume that this is likely to be a spot the place I can fake to be a pleasant particular person,” as a result of the truth that he can articulate it, signifies that it’s change into that actual for him. I do assume that he means greater than “possibly” when Director Music questions if he wouldn’t thoughts not returning to Geodae Hospital for good.
It’s true that not every thing goes easily for Dong Joo, in that Search engine optimisation Jung doesn’t conform to date him this episode both, when he asks, and In Beom’s now below directions from his father to get (most likely nefariously) concerned in Chairman Shin’s surgical procedure.. however for now, I’m simply very happy with him. You probably did good immediately, Dr. Kang. You probably did good.
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